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    Unfreakinbelieveable II

    http://espn.go.com/college-football/...d-derek-graves

    Idaho St. player: Coach pushed him
    By Steve Delsohn and Justine Gubar | ESPN
    Updated: October 18, 2012, 1:42 PM ET

    Police Investigate Idaho State Coach Mike Kramer Pushed Derek Graves

    Two police agencies are investigating whether Idaho State head football coach Mike Kramer's two-handed push of a wide receiver during a recent practice constitutes criminal behavior.

    The Pocatello Police Department is conducting an investigation alongside ISU campus police into the Oct. 3 incident involving Derek Graves, a senior wide receiver, and Kramer. A video of the incident obtained by "Outside the Lines" shows Kramer trotting across the practice field before appearing to push Graves to the ground with a two-handed shove to the chest. Graves fell backwards after the contact.

    Graves told OTL that Kramer became irate when Graves preferred to face one of the team's veteran cornerbacks instead of a freshman cornerback during one-on-one drills in practice. When Graves tried waving over one of the older cornerbacks to face him, he said Kramer marched across the field and said, "He's a varsity f------ player" before pushing Graves. Graves said Kramer cursed again while he was on the ground.

    Since the incident, Graves said, he has suffered from neck spasms and has not been cleared by the team's medical staff to resume participating in practices or games. Graves had 36 receptions in Idaho State's first four games, including back-to-back games with 15 catches. He has not played since.

    Graves filed a police report with Pocatello police on Sunday after his family retained Alabama attorney Don Jackson. Jackson said he notified the university president and athletic director of the incident last week. Pocatello police declined to release the report to OTL.

    "I've seen Kramer get in guys' faces and curse them, but never saw him do anything like this or put his hands on anyone," Graves told OTL. "I was humiliated at the moment. If I retaliate, I could lose my senior season. If I didn't do anything, I would look like a punk. It was a no-win situation."

    Graves said that he and Kramer had never been close, but their relationship had been "fine up until now."

    Idaho State assistant athletic director for media relations Steve Schaack said Tuesday that Graves has not been "available" for the last two games and provided no more details. He referred to a "school" investigation as "open" and declined to comment further. Schaack said Kramer also had no comment.

    Graves' attorney said because of the video and number of witnesses, "This investigation should have taken five minutes to complete. There is no justification for a college coach ever putting his hands on a player."

    Kramer is in his second season at Idaho State. He was fired from his previous coaching job, at Montana State University, in 2007, after several former MSU players were arrested or charged with crimes involving drugs within a one-year span. Kramer sued the university over his dismissal and later settled the lawsuit before it went to trial.

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    Re: Unfreakinbelieveable II

    Holy Jeezus...

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    Re: Unfreakinbelieveable II

    That's just totally UNPROFESSIONAL. The coach is clearly crossing the line by pushing his own player. And it's really sad to see the player was hurt, both physically and emotionally. I just can't believe Idaho State's athletic department would hire this guy, even considering the incident at Montana State. What does THAT tell you about the school? Completely embarrassing.

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    Re: Unfreakinbelieveable II

    It's just a game, the coach has no right to put his hands on one of his players, or anyone else, in a violent, offensive way.




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    Re: Unfreakinbelieveable II

    Quote Originally Posted by MKfromPA View Post
    That's just totally UNPROFESSIONAL. The coach is clearly crossing the line by pushing his own player. And it's really sad to see the player was hurt, both physically and emotionally. I just can't believe Idaho State's athletic department would hire this guy, even considering the incident at Montana State. What does THAT tell you about the school? Completely embarrassing.
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    Since the incident, Graves said, he has suffered from neck spasms and has not been cleared by the team's medical staff to resume participating in practices or games.
    My @ss...Total BS. This is so fkg ridiculous it unfreakingbelievable....


    Quote Originally Posted by Herchel View Post
    You cannot be serious.
    Surely he's being facetious...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carolina Razorback View Post
    My @ss...Total BS. This is so fkg ridiculous it unfreakingbelievable....




    Surely he's being facetious...
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    Re: Unfreakinbelieveable II

    If you can't make your point to your players without knocking them to the ground, maybe you shouldn't be coaching. What would the coach have done to the player if he had bowed up when he saw coach coming and laid him out instead? Like the player said, if he would have retaliated, he would have lost his senior year. College football has become more of a business that anything else. So the coach is the boss and his players are his employees. A boss can't hit or use his position of authority to intimidate employees, why should this be any different?

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    In other news, former Coach Woody Hayes was found sobbing behind an industrial drying at Shawshank prison after apparently being repeated raped by another former coach and recent inmate Jerry Sandusky. Hayes as you may remember was arrested on assault charges after hitting a Clemson player during the Gator bowl. Hayes was sentenced 30 years to life.
    73 Days until the start of Razorback Football.

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    Re: Unfreakinbelieveable II

    This young man plays tackle football and gets barely pushed, falls down and now suffers from neck spasms and his doctors won't clear him to play. Whether the coach can touch a player or not may be debatable but my point was this kid simply got his feelings hurt and was embarrassed. Instead of sucking it up and being a man he's going after his 15 minutes of fame and will likely if not already, file a lawsuit...

    Agree with you totally H...

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