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    Security trumps privacy...again

    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...minor-offenses
    WASHINGTON -- Siding with security needs over privacy rights, the Supreme Court ruled Monday that jailers may subject people arrested for minor offenses to invasive strip searches.


    By a 5-4 vote, the court rejected a challenge from a New Jersey man who argued it's unconstitutional to force everyone to strip down for inspection. Albert Florence was arrested by a state trooper because of an error in the state's records that mistakenly said he was wanted on an outstanding warrant for an unpaid fine. Even if the warrant had been valid, failure to pay a fine is not a crime in New Jersey.
    Florence was held for a week in two different jails before the charges were dropped. But at each jail, he was required to shower with delousing soap and undergo a strip search.

    Florence's lawyers argued such searches are unconstitutional unless police have reason to believe the subject is carrying a weapon or drugs.
    But the court's majority said it's difficult for jail officials to know who's dangerous and who isn't among the 13 million prisoners they process each year because criminal records are often not available at the time of intake. The majority opinion was written by Justice Anthony Kennedy.
    The court also noted that Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber, was initially arrested for not having a license plate on his car and that one of the 9/11 terrorists was stopped and ticketed for speeding just two days before hijacking Flight 93. "People detained for minor offenses can turn out to be the most devious and dangerous criminals," the court said.

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    Re: Security trumps privacy...again

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg in Dallas View Post
    "People detained for minor offenses can turn out to be the most devious and dangerous criminals," the court said.
    terrible logic.

    I suppose if they both ate at McDonalds, we could say "People who eat at McDonalds can turn out to be the most devious and dangerous criminals"


    There are people who have committed terrible crimes that haven't been arrested and there are people that have committed felonies that have been arrested for other completely unrelated felonies.

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    Re: Security trumps privacy...again

    Strangely I can understand this one. If you are going to put someone in jail you shou8ld have the right to know what they are carrying. I think the arrest for minor offenses is the problem here..
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    Re: Security trumps privacy...again

    Now, now. If only the police had strip searched the 9/11 hijacker when he was speeding, we would have discovered...what exactly? Maybe we should strip search and then torture everyone pulled over for speeding...

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    Re: Security trumps privacy...again

    Can the police now unfairly target women for minor offenses(speeding, jaywalking...etc) by pulling over someone going 47 in a 45 when they would normally let them by with that, just so they can strip search them?

    Just seems like something that some of these police would do.

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    Re: Security trumps privacy...again

    Quote Originally Posted by F250MustangGuy View Post
    Can the police now unfairly target women for minor offenses(speeding, jaywalking...etc) by pulling over someone going 47 in a 45 when they would normally let them by with that, just so they can strip search them?

    Just seems like something that some of these police would do.
    For once, we agree.

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    Re: Security trumps privacy...again

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg in Dallas View Post
    Now, now. If only the police had strip searched the 9/11 hijacker when he was speeding, we would have discovered...what exactly? Maybe we should strip search and then torture everyone pulled over for speeding...
    I thought it said jailor of arrested people. Am I totally missing the point here?....I have never been arrest and taken to jail for speeding.

    I agree with it because I may have to share the jail cell with someone and would rather them not be armed....

    FTR I don't think they should ever be able to search your or your vehicle without a warrant OR They search you before incarceration.
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    Re: Security trumps privacy...again

    Quote Originally Posted by YR_Tiger View Post
    I thought it said jailor of arrested people. Am I totally missing the point here?....I have never been arrest and taken to jail for speeding.

    I agree with it because I may have to share the jail cell with someone and would rather them not be armed....

    FTR I don't think they should ever be able to search your or your vehicle without a warrant OR They search you before incarceration.
    No, you aren't missing the boat, but look at the OP again and the examples relied upon...

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    Re: Security trumps privacy...again

    Quote Originally Posted by YR_Tiger View Post
    Strangely I can understand this one. If you are going to put someone in jail you shou8ld have the right to know what they are carrying. I think the arrest for minor offenses is the problem here..
    yeah but then you can get pulled over for BS too

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    Re: Security trumps privacy...again

    So you guy believe we should have armed inmates in the county jail? What about when you have to share the cell with the armed inmate? I have watched Shaw shank.....

    I did not think they could strip search for a traffic stop unless they plan on giving you a ride down town.
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