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    SEC the russian probe

    By Associated Press June 29 at 8:22 PM

    WASHINGTON — Russian hackers discussed during the 2016 presidential campaign whether they could obtain emails pilfered from Hillary Clinton and ultimately get them to Mike Flynn, an adviser to then-candidate Donald Trump, according to a report published Thursday by The Wall Street Journal.

    The WSJ said investigators probing Russian meddling in the election have examined intelligence agency reports about how hackers wanted to get emails from Clinton’s server to an intermediary and then to Mike Flynn, a retired lieutenant general and senior adviser to Trump who went on to serve briefly as his national security adviser. The newspaper also references Peter W. Smith, a operative who was convinced emails missing from Clinton’s server were in the hands of Russian hackers, and who implied in conversations that he was working with Flynn.

    The WSJ said it was not clear whether Flynn played any role in the quest of the operative, Peter W. Smith, who died shortly after speaking with the newspaper. The WSJ said Flynn did not respond to requests, the White House declined comment, and the campaign said Smith never worked for it and that any such action undertaken by Flynn, if true, was not on its behalf.

    Smith told the WSJ that he was unsure of the authenticity of emails hackers eventually did send to him and he told them to pass them to WikiLeaks, the same outfit that published the emails taken from Podesta and the committee.

    “We knew the people who had these were probably around the Russian government,” Smith told the WSJ. He died on May 14 at 81, about less than two weeks after being interviewed.

    In emails Smith sent to potential recruits for his project, and which the WSJ reviewed, he referenced Flynn and Flynn’s son, Michael G. Flynn, several times.

    Michael Flynn, the former White House national security adviser, filed a disclosure in March saying he had provided assistance during 2016 to Turkish businessman active in that country’s politics.

    http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/chicagotribune/obituary.aspx?pid=185474380

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    Re: the Russian Probe

    Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort files as foreign agent for Ukraine work



    Manafort and a former associate in his consulting business, Richard Gates, who also worked for the Trump campaign, disclosed their lobbying campaign on behalf of Ukraine’s Party of Regions in an 87-page document which described the gross receipts the firm received and some details of efforts undertaken to influence U.S. policy toward Ukraine. The filing shows the firm spent nearly $4 million to advance the party’s interests through polling and local salaries in Ukraine, activity that does not ordinarily require U.S. disclosure. The filing does not show how much Manafort made personally in Ukraine or how much his firm netted after expenses.


    As part of the filing, Manafort disclosed he met in 2013 with Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, an outspoken California Republican known for advocating closer ties between the U.S. and the Kremlin.


    Disclosure is required under the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) from anyone advocating in the U.S. on behalf of a foreign government or political party. The rules were part of legislation passed in 1938 to counter German propagandists operating in the United States before the start of World War II.


    Manafort’s spokesman Jason Maloni said late Friday that the former campaign adviser began the process of preparing his filing in September “before the outcome of the election and well before any formal investigation of election interference began.


    “Paul’s primary focus was always directed at domestic Ukrainian political campaign work, and that is reflected in today’s filing,” said Maloni.


    Michael Dry, an attorney for Gates, declined to comment. Dry served as a federal prosecutor in the eastern district of Virginia until January, when he joined the Vinson & Elkins law firm. Gates is among the most recent former Trump campaign staffer to get legal counsel to help navigate the Russia probes.


    Manafort announced last April that he was considering filing the form after receiving guidance from DOJ regarding work he and Gates had performed in recent years on behalf of the Party of Regions. He said the work with Ukrainian clients ended before Manafort joined the Trump campaign.


    At the time, two Washington lobbying firms, including the Podesta Group, also filed registrations describing work they undertook with Manafort to improve Ukraine’s image in the U.S. between 2012 and 2014.


    FARA requires so-called foreign agents to register within 10 days of agreeing to conduct work for the foreign entity and to provide updates every six months on political activities. The disclosures require more minute details than what is covered for domestic lobbyists.


    For instance, foreign agents must disclose efforts to exert politically-related influence on think tanks and through the media, as well as to directly lobby government officials.


    Deliberately failing to file as a foreign agent may result in a felony criminal charge accompanied by steep monetary civil penalties. In practice, however, the Department of Justice generally encourages voluntary compliance and prosecutions under the act are “quite rare,” said Joseph Sandler, an attorney who specializes in political law, including FARA. The Justice Department generally allows people to register retroactively if questions arise about their past activities and the law requires no late fees or other penalties


    “If it was genuinely inadvertent or negligent, if there’s nothing nefarious you want to hide, there’s no downside to retroactively registering,” Sandler said.


    Criminal charges for violating FARA have typically been reserved for cases involving foreign agents whose conduct ran afoul of U.S. foreign policy interests. They often come as a package of other criminal charges, like espionage.


    For years, Manafort advised an ambitious Ukrainian politician, Viktor Yanukovych, who was elected president in 2010 but fled to Moscow four years later after public demonstrations demanded his ouster. Manafort had worked previously for several political strongmen around the globe, including former Philippine president Ferdinand Marcos and Angolan military leader Jonas Savimbi.


    Manafort joined the Trump campaign in the spring 2016, as Trump sought to bring more experienced political hands into his operation. Gates, a long time Manafort associate, joined him.


    Manafort resigned from the campaign in August 2016, following reports by the New York Times that his name had appeared in a ledger found in Kiev detailing millions of dollars in under-the-table payments from the Party of Regions. Manafort has consistently denied wrongdoing and said that reports alleging that he received funds improperly from Ukrainian interests are false.


    [Filed June 27, 2017 Manafort Foreign Agents Registration Act filing]
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    Re: the Russian Probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.SwineSmeller View Post
    The Wall Street Journal.
    Don't let the facts scare you. The Wall Street Journal is a Trump supporter. Rupert Mudoch's friendship with Trump goes back many years even before Wendi Murdoch (his ex-wife) introduced Ivanka to Jared Kushner.

    Murdoch has told close associates that the nation's 45th president calls to confer frequently — as often as multiple times a week — and that he has visited the White House to meet with Trump more than once.


    "They have been friends for a long time," White House press secretary Sean Spicer said. "They speak on occasion as the president does with all his friends."

    Murdoch sits atop a twin media empire, made up of 21st Century Fox and News Corp, which together include such properties in the United States as The Wall Street Journal, Fox News, New York Post and more than two dozen local television stations.
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    Re: the Russian Probe

    I find the first article interesting; I knew about the second long ago... and that one will basically go nowhere. Here's why: Dems & Repubs rarely like to actually punish each other legally. I think its pretty well known that they would rather create damaging storyline's and declare "victory", because if they start sending their opponents to jail then they will start sending them.

    In the case of Paul Manafort, if they go after him then John Podesta and his brother are next -- they are in very strikingly positions as PM on this issue. I don't see this going anywhere...

    BUT... I do want to know more about that first article -- this is one of the only storylines that actually raises my eyebrows. I find the idea of Flynn being a traitor absolutely remarkable... but this story at least has an angle that deserves attention.
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    Re: the Russian Probe

    From 2006 - 2016, Manafort paid $12 million in CASH for NY real estate. Before the end of 2016 he took out a mortgage against those three New York City homes: one in Trump Tower, one in SoHo, and one in Carroll Gardens, Brooklyn.

    If that ain't money laundering then I don't know what is.


    Quote Originally Posted by The Zou View Post
    I find the first article interesting; I knew about the second long ago... and that one will basically go nowhere. Here's why: Dems & Repubs rarely like to actually punish each other legally. I think its pretty well known that they would rather create damaging storyline's and declare "victory", because if they start sending their opponents to jail then they will start sending them.

    In the case of Paul Manafort, if they go after him then John Podesta and his brother are next -- they are in very strikingly positions as PM on this issue. I don't see this going anywhere...

    BUT... I do want to know more about that first article -- this is one of the only storylines that actually raises my eyebrows. I find the idea of Flynn being a traitor absolutely remarkable... but this story at least has an angle that deserves attention.
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    Re: the Russian Probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Just Some Hog Dude View Post
    Who murdered Peter W. Smith to silence him, Republicans or Russia?
    I'm sure that Smith died of natural causes.
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    Re: the Russian Probe

    I stand by that statement.... until they dig him up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Just Some Hog Dude View Post
    Yeah right.
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