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    Re: Inside Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg in Dallas View Post
    Most viewers doesn't equal greatness.

    Otherwise, you would need to say Maddow is cirrent greatness, which is silly.

    No additional comment on kim dotcom?
    My comments to you are both sparingly & under whatever topic(s) I feel like. When it is a lost cause... you will see that they are fewer & further between.

    In terms of greatness, the ratings is the measure -- like it or not. No one plays football to simply make it on tv; no one reports news to simply make it on tv. The ratings are a measure of influence; influence = greatness... regardless of if you argree with what they are pedling or not.

    As despicable as Hitler was, not acknowledging him as a leader is as stupid as not acknowledging Lee Harvey Oswald as a great shot.
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    Re: Inside Job

    Quote Originally Posted by The Zou View Post
    My comments to you are both sparingly & under whatever topic(s) I feel like. When it is a lost cause... you will see that they are fewer & further between.

    In terms of greatness, the ratings is the measure -- like it or not. No one plays football to simply make it on tv; no one reports news to simply make it on tv. The ratings are a measure of influence; influence = greatness... regardless of if you argree with what they are pedling or not.

    As despicable as Hitler was, not acknowledging him as a leader is as stupid as not acknowledging Lee Harvey Oswald as a great shot.
    No it isn't. Was honey Boo-Boo greatness? Are the Kardashians? Being a great shot is far different than being great TV. Influential people aren't always great people. I personally do not believe Maddow is great simply because she is currently crushing FoxNews in her time slot - she is as bad as FoxNews, just with a different POV. She is not great. In any event, I am surprised that a free market guy such as yourself is complaining that the markets have changed.

    I don't blame you for avoiding anymore discussion of Kim Dotcom. Further discussion on this topic is a lost cause, because your OP has proven to be absolutely laughable, and you can't admit you were wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg in Dallas View Post
    No it isn't. Was honey Boo-Boo greatness? Are the Kardashians? Being a great shot is far different than being great TV. Influential people aren't always great people. I personally do not believe Maddow is great simply because she is currently crushing FoxNews in her time slot - she is as bad as FoxNews, just with a different POV. She is not great. In any event, I am surprised that a free market guy such as yourself is complaining that the markets have changed.

    I don't blame you for avoiding anymore discussion of Kim Dotcom. Further discussion on this topic is a lost cause, because your OP has proven to be absolutely laughable, and you can't admit you were wrong.
    1. Honey Boo Boo & Kardashians were most obviously great tv -- I can say that without being interested/watching for myself, because of the ratings.

    2. "Influential people aren't always great people." -- DiD, 2017

    No duh -- not what I'm saying

    3. Where & how people spend their FREE TIME matters 'bigly'; in tv... the only accurate/consistent/independent measure for greatness is ratings. Arguing anything different is a fools game; I'm spending less of my time on DiD influenced fool's games.
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    Re: Inside Job

    Keep avoiding the thread topic Zou, and your reliance on a PI who recanted and a criminal in New Zealand who tried to hack into Rich's computer to create emails to fulfill your fantasy, but failed. LOL

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    Re: Inside Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg in Dallas View Post
    Keep avoiding the thread topic Zou, and your reliance on a PI who recanted and a criminal in New Zealand who tried to hack into Rich's computer to create emails to fulfill your fantasy, but failed. LOL
    I'm aware of that, and others. Good day.
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    Re: Inside Job

    Interesting claims in a lawsuit, filed by a guy many relied upon as having important information in this case a mere two and half months ago:

    The Fox News Channel and a wealthy supporter of President Trump worked in concert under the watchful eye of the White House to concoct a story about the death of a young Democratic National Committee aide, according to a lawsuit filed Tuesday.

    The explosive claim is part of a lawsuit filed against Fox News by Rod Wheeler, a longtime paid commentator for the news network. The suit was obtained exclusively by NPR.

    Wheeler alleges Fox News and the Trump supporter intended to deflect public attention from growing concern about the administration's ties to the Russian government. His suit charges that a Fox News reporter created quotations out of thin air and attributed them to him to propel her story.
    Fox's president of news, Jay Wallace, told NPR on Monday that there was no "concrete evidence" that Wheeler was misquoted by the reporter, Malia Zimmerman. The news executive did not address a question about the story's allegedly partisan origins. Fox News declined to allow Zimmerman to comment for this story.

    The story, which first aired in May, was retracted by Fox News a week later. Fox News has, to date, taken no action in response to what it said was a failure to adhere to the network's standards.

    The lawsuit focuses particular attention on the role of the Trump supporter, Ed Butowsky, in weaving the story. He is a wealthy Dallas investor and unpaid Fox commentator on financial matters who has emerged as a reliable Republican surrogate in recent years. Butowsky offered to pay for Wheeler to investigate the death of the DNC aide, Seth Rich, on behalf of his grieving parents in Omaha, Neb.

    On April 20, a month before the story ran, Butowsky and Wheeler — the investor and the investigator — met at the White House with then-press secretary Sean Spicer to brief him on what they were uncovering.

    The first page of the lawsuit quotes a voicemail and text from Butowsky boasting that Trump himself had reviewed drafts of the Fox News story just before it went to air and was published.

    Spicer now tells NPR that he took the meeting as a favor to Butowsky, a reliable Republican voice. Spicer says he was unaware of any contact involving the president. And Butowsky tells NPR that he was kidding about Trump's involvement.

    "Rod Wheeler unfortunately was used as a pawn by Ed Butowsky, Fox News and the Trump administration to try and steer away the attention that was being given about the Russian hacking of the DNC emails," says Douglas Wigdor, Wheeler's lawyer.

    On May 16, the Fox News Channel broke what it called a "bombshell" story about an unsolved homicide: the July 2016 shooting of 27-year-old Democratic Party staffer Seth Rich.

    Unfounded conspiracy theories involving Rich abounded in the months after his death, in part because WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange cryptically suggested that Rich's death may have been related to the leaks of tens of thousands of emails from Democratic Party officials and their allies at the peak of the presidential campaign.
    Fox News' story, which took flight online and ran in segments across major shows, breathed fresh life into the rumors. Fox reported that the leaks came from inside the party and not from hackers linked to Russia — despite the conclusions of the nation's most senior intelligence officials. The network suggested that Democrats might have been connected to Rich's death and that a cover-up had thwarted the official investigation.

    The network cited an unnamed FBI official. And the report relied heavily on Wheeler, a former police detective, hired months earlier on behalf of the Riches by Butowsky.

    These developments took place during growing public concern over a federal investigation into the Trump camp's possible collusion with the Russian government during the campaign. The allegations have since touched the president's son and son-in-law, his former campaign manager, his attorney general and his first national security adviser, who resigned as a result.

    The question of Rich's death took on greater urgency for Butowsky after Trump fired FBI Director James Comey in early May. Comey had been overseeing the Russia investigation. The story ran just a week later.


    Fox's report went sideways shortly after it was posted online and aired on Fox & Friends. It was denounced by the Rich family, D.C. police, Democratic Party officials and even, privately, by some journalists within the network. Within hours, Wheeler told other news outlets that Fox News had put words in his mouth.
    Despite those concerns, Wheeler appeared on the shows of Fox Business host Lou Dobbs and Fox News star Sean Hannity, who devoted significant time to the story that night and in subsequent days. In speaking with Wheeler, Hannity said: "If this is true and Seth Rich gave WikiLeaks the DNC e-mails ... this blows the whole Russia collusion narrative completely out of the water."

    A week later, on May 23, Fox retracted the story, saying the reporting process failed to live up to its standards. Hannity said he would take a break from talking about Rich's death out of respect for the family. And there it has largely stood — until now.

    The fake news story

    In the lawsuit, the private investigator sets out a different version of events. Wheeler, a paid Fox News contributor since 2005, alleges the story was orchestrated behind the scenes and from the outset by Butowsky, who hired him on behalf of the Rich family.

    The following account reflects the verbatim quotes provided from the texts, emails, voicemails and recorded conversations cited in Wheeler's lawsuit, except as otherwise noted.

    According to the lawsuit, Trump's press secretary Sean Spicer meets at the White House with Wheeler and Butowsky to review the Rich story a month before Fox News ran the piece.

    On May 14, about 36 hours before Fox News' story appears, Butowsky leaves a voicemail for Wheeler, saying, "We have the full, uh, attention of the White House on this. And tomorrow, let's close this deal, whatever we've got to do."

    Butowsky also texts Wheeler: "Not to add any more pressure but the president just read the article. He wants the article out immediately. It's now all up to you."

    Spicer now confirms meeting with the two but denies claims about the president.

    "Ed's been a longtime supporter of the president and asked to meet to catch up," Spicer tells NPR on Monday night.

    "I didn't know who Rod Wheeler was. Once we got into my office, [Butowsky] said, 'I'm sure you recognize Rod Wheeler from Fox News.' "

    Spicer says Butowsky laid out what had been found about the case. "It had nothing to do with advancing the president's domestic agenda — and there was no agenda," Spicer says. "They were just informing me of the [Fox] story."

    Spicer says he is not aware of any contact, direct or not, between Butowsky and Trump. And Butowsky now tells NPR he has never shared drafts of the story with Trump or his aides — that he was joking with a friend.

    Instead, Butowsky repeatedly claims that the meeting was set up to address Wheeler's pleas for help landing a job for the Trump administration. Wheeler's attorney, Wigdor, says there is no evidence to support that claim.

    In the suit, Wheeler alleges that Butowsky was using the White House references to pressure him.

    Wheeler did play his own role in furthering the story. But he contends that he regretted it the same day it aired. His suit alleges Fox News defamed him by manufacturing two false quotations attributed to him and ruining his reputation by blaming him as the deceptive story fell apart. Wheeler, an African-American, is also suing the network for racial discrimination, saying he failed to advance as prominently as white counterparts. Fox News had no comment on that allegation.
    Now, I have never thought Wheeler was particularly believable, but I look forward to those so, so enthusiatic about this story now critizing Wheeler.

    BTW, there is more at the link...

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