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    National reviewer: "Ya got took."

    I don't necessarily agree with this anti-Trumper conclusions, but he does highlight the inconsistency of Trump:
    During the campaign, Donald Trump published a “Contract with the American Voter,” and he may even have read it. He described the document as “my pledge to you.” If anybody had been listening, they might have learned from his former business partners what a Trump contract is worth and from his ex-wives what value he puts on a solemn pledge.

    I have some bad news, Sunshine: Ya got took.


    One of the items on Trump’s Contract with the American Voter was a reiteration of his vow to designate the People’s Republic of China a currency manipulator, which would enable the implementation of certain economic sanctions from the federal government. It was a dumb idea (every country that engages in monetary policy is a currency manipulator, “currency manipulator” being more or less Janet Yellen’s job description), but it was one that Trump stuck to — indeed, coming down on China for its economic policies is one of the few ideas to which Trump has consistently cleaved. (Before it was China, it was Japan, the other Asian Economic Superman that was going to eat our national lunch but never quite got around to doing so; India probably is next up for that dubious honor.) Every third word out of Trump’s mouth was “China.” And now? “They’re not currency manipulators,” he says. Trump says this is just strategy, that China stopped manipulating its currency months ago; in reality, there has been no major change in Chinese monetary policy. He also says that bringing up the issue now would make it more difficult to get Beijing’s cooperation in dealing with North Korea. That is true. It was true six months ago. It was true six years ago. It may very well be true six years from now. This is a typical Trump pattern: Do nothing, declare the problem solved, claim victory. That isn’t deft diplomacy — it is a failure of nerve.

    A few other things have come up: That wall across the entirety of the southern border that Mexico was going to pay for? Mexico isn’t paying for it, which is convenient for everybody, since it isn’t going to be built. There will be additional fencing put up, as there almost certainly would have been in any case, and the United States will pay for it. And John Kelly, homeland-security secretary, says that the wall in many places will not be a wall at all, but an array of “technological sensors.” Ryan Zinke, interior secretary, has been paying a little attention to the geographical arcana that escape the view from Fifth Avenue, including the fact that a very large portion of the border is a river. “What side of the river are you going to put the wall?” he asks, not unreasonably. “We’re not going to put it on our side and cede the river to Mexico. And we’re probably not going to put it in the middle of the river.” Wait until they hear about the Amistad Reservoir and the Santa Elena Canyon.

    NATO was obsolete during the campaign. It has been un-obsoleted. Rush Limbaugh this week attempted to put the best spin on that, saying that Trump’s anti-NATO position was only a bargaining tactic, a successful ploy to get NATO members to up their military spending to the 2 percent of GDP they’ve all agreed to. He cited NATO secretary-general Jens Stoltenberg’s statement earlier this week that NATO members are finally getting serious about their commitments. One problem with that line of argument: They aren’t actually doing it. Setting aside the question of whether that 2 percent agreement is in fact sensible and appropriate, NATO members are not living up to it and they are not going to live up to it. Germany, which has Europe’s largest national economy and was long the dominant military power on the Continent, is spending about 1.2 percent of GDP on defense — and that after a large increase this year. There is no radical increase even under discussion. Europe’s second-largest economy is that of France, a big military spender by European standards, but one in which military spending is under 2 percent and likely to stay there. Only two credible global military players in NATO — the United States and the United Kingdom — spend 2 percent or more; when something goes wrong in the world, no one shouts: “For the love of God, call the Greeks! Call the Estonians! Call the Poles!” in spite of their respective military outlays of 2.4, 2.2, and 2 percent of GDP. A few NATO members — the ones nearest Russia — expect to be up to 2 percent soon. Good on Latvia and Lithuania, but that’s hardly a diplomatic triumph for the United States.

    No fighting China on currency, no wall, no NATO reform. Add a few more items to the list: Janet Yellen was definitely out before she wasn’t; our relationship with Russia was “great” during the campaign but today is a “horrible relationship” that is “at an all-time low” (he may not know about the Cuban missile crisis); the president could not make war on Syria without congressional approval (“big mistake if he does not!”) until he could. The Affordable Care Act remains the law of the land. Steve Bannon of Goldman Sachs, Gary Cohn of Goldman Sachs, Steven Mnuchin of Goldman Sachs, and Dina Powell of Goldman Sachs are firmly ensconced in their various roles throughout the Trump administration. The alt-right basement-dwellers and sundry knuckleheads beamed that Trump was going to be a “nationalist,” and that he would give the boot to coastal elitists, moderates, and Ivy League snoots. In reality, Trump is a New York Democrat who is being advised by other New York Democrats — Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner prominent among them — who are more or less the sort of people who brought you the Obama and Clinton administrations: business-friendly corporate Democrats, people who think of themselves as post-ideological pragmatists, consensus progressives who are much more interested in opening up backdoor channels to Planned Parenthood than they are in the priorities of people they consider nothing more than a bunch of snake-handling rustics and talk-radio listeners stockpiling gold coins and freeze-dried ice cream in their basements. Trump was a Clinton donor and a Chuck Schumer donor, and he is acting like one.

    Surprise.

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    Re: National reviewer: "Ya got took."

    I don't find his inconsistencies troubling... yet. I would expect a shrewd businessman to go into D.C. and play his hands many different ways.

    There is a "perfect" way to play poker -- smart people can easily see the cards in their hands and know the probability of winning that hand and bet accordingly. If you can do that... then you will win a lot of games playing against lawyers/judges in cigar smoked rooms. BUT... that isn't going to win against the pros -- they will see your bets and know what you are doing... and know what is in your hand. They'll wait till you have a high probability hand (when they are sitting on something higher) and bait you into throwing all of your chips at it...

    Know how I beat Poker players that are way better than me? I create a controlled chaos at the table and get them to start folding hands that they should be winning. The point is to get them to think: "Rules clearly don't apply anymore; there is no telling what this guy has in his hands."

    What I see from Trump is A LOT of poker!! A whole lot! It's like he is playing in the World Series of Poker... except he is playing at all of the tables -- all at once. And the chaos he creates at one table is being felt at all of the other tables also... because they are watching what he is doing at each table and trying to figure him out.

    I think that the entirety of D.C. Establishment -- Dems & Republicans -- is afraid because the establishment "rules clearly don't apply anymore" -- I see a lot of people who have exactly no idea what hand he is holding. And if I were to advise Trump on how to go into D.C. and beat Politicians that are A LOT BETTER at being POLITICIANS... I would advise him to take an approach similar to what he is taking.

    He hasn't caved on ANYTHING yet that I know of -- what I see is "100 days of chaos" that reminds me of exactly what he did in the primary & general election. Seeing as his record is 17-0 vs republicans and 1-0 vs Dems by using the same methods... I have no reason to see this turning out as you hope.

    Since I believe he is a shrewd businessman... my guess is that he has had all that he needed on the Obama surveillance angle all along. I think he already knows that his voters blame Paul Ryan more than him for the healthcare bill failure -- they will blame Yellen & Obama for the pains of the next recession. I think he already knows that we want the wall and jobs to come back from Mexico -- if he does both no one CARES who pays for it. I think he knows that Europe is far more afraid of Putin than we are AND their political attitude is swinging hard/fast to the right.

    If he is as smart as I think... he has created an awesome chaos and is hiding his smirk at the headline "Ya got took"... but we aren't even out of first 100 days yet -- by end of Year 1 I will expect that he has validated what I see. If not... then the author may be right (and I may be wrong). At this point... it's funny to think that anyone in Establishment has the balls to say so.

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    Re: National reviewer: "Ya got took."

    I don't find his inconsistencies troubling... yet
    I think there is a substantial portion of his votes that would agree. Others however, expected him to fulfill the promises he made on the trail over and over again. That group of voters, while significant, is likely smaller than the group you belong to.

    Now your reasoning is nothing sort of hilarious. The guy is obviously in over his head, clueless about basic facts and issues.

    He hasn't caved on ANYTHING yet that I know of


    You mean other than the items mentioned in the article. Things are often right in front of you and you pretend not to see them.

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    Re: National reviewer: "Ya got took."

    He likely isn't a shrewd businessman - nut he doesn't need to be to pulll the wool over the guys of those foolish enough to believe that myth.

    If you play poker and the audience thinks a pair beats a full house simply because you say so, the actual result doesn't matter to the fools in the audience.

    Trump is a carnival barker, a master of propaganda, and certain people believe every word.

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    Re: National reviewer: "Ya got took."

    I am sorry, but I just do not understand why positions have to be immutable. Trump is reacting to the situations, if you have not noticed, we are no longer in a campaign.
    I have made my peace with Les Miles, I want him to stay. Go away Michigan. It is is not the 11 games winning seasons or the Yoda like press conferences. He eats grass and knows Tiger Stadium grass taste best! That is a special brand of crazy I want to see of years to come! GEAUX TIGERS!

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    Re: National reviewer: "Ya got took."

    Has the situation in Mexico changed where we don't need a big beautiful wall that Mexico is going to pay for?

    Has the situation in China changed as to their manipulation of currency? He was going to label them as such on "Day 1."

    What has changed with NATO?

    You seem to be falling into the group that buys the line in the article:

    This is a typical Trump pattern: Do nothing, declare the problem solved, claim victory. That isn’t deft diplomacy — it is a failure of nerve.
    Has Trump noticed we aren't in a campaign anymore,because it doesn't seem that way

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    Re: National reviewer: "Ya got took."

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg in Dallas View Post
    Has the situation in Mexico changed where we don't need a big beautiful wall that Mexico is going to pay for?

    Has the situation in China changed as to their manipulation of currency? He was going to label them as such on "Day 1."

    What has changed with NATO?

    You seem to be falling into the group that buys the line in the article:



    Has Trump noticed we aren't in a campaign anymore,because it doesn't seem that way
    Yes, in both cases they have changed. Criticize the man when necessary, but not for every issue. China is trying to help with North Korea, that is a huge change. What has changed with NATO is most of the countries have agreed to increase military spending to what is required.
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    Re: National reviewer: "Ya got took."

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg in Dallas View Post
    I think there is a substantial portion of his votes that would agree. Others however, expected him to fulfill the promises he made on the trail over and over again. That group of voters, while significant, is likely smaller than the group you belong to.

    Now your reasoning is nothing sort of hilarious. The guy is obviously in over his head, clueless about basic facts and issues.



    You mean other than the items mentioned in the article. Things are often right in front of you and you pretend not to see them. [/COLOR]
    You say very different things, from what i can tell... you are saying:

    1. He has abandoned positions
    2. He is clueless & over his head

    Maybe you have forgotten that the clock hasn't expired -- by my count (and I'm assuming his) the mid-terms are half-time and then 2 years later is the "end of regulation".

    Still in the first 100 days, Dawg.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg in Dallas View Post
    He likely isn't a shrewd businessman - nut he doesn't need to be to pulll the wool over the guys of those foolish enough to believe that myth.

    If you play poker and the audience thinks a pair beats a full house simply because you say so, the actual result doesn't matter to the fools in the audience.

    Trump is a carnival barker, a master of propaganda, and certain people believe every word.
    You clearly still have not learned from the election, but then again... most of the establishment hasn't. What you will find in the coming elections is that if he accomplishes 25% of what he promised, his voters will be happy. Actually... he will win again if he accomplishes just ONE thing -- brings manufacturing back to our country.

    If he tries and fails on everything else but accomplishes that -- Dems will send some state-level nobody up to oppose him in 4 years. Hell... they may even let you take a swing at it!!!

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    Re: National reviewer: "Ya got took."

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg in Dallas View Post
    Has the situation in Mexico changed where we don't need a big beautiful wall that Mexico is going to pay for?

    The situation has changed in the sense that we have illegals EXITING our country from both North & South borders... instead of entering. Pretty remarkable, really...

    Has the situation in China changed as to their manipulation of currency? He was going to label them as such on "Day 1."

    Perhaps he hasn't... so that they would play ball on NK. Would you prefer to win the battle to lose the war?

    What has changed with NATO?

    Some European countries have already committed more money to fund NATO; others are currently debating it. When is the last time this has happened??

    You seem to be falling into the group that buys the line in the article:



    Has Trump noticed we aren't in a campaign anymore,because it doesn't seem that way
    First.

    100.

    Days!

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    Re: National reviewer: "Ya got took."

    Quote Originally Posted by FreddieMac View Post
    Yes, in both cases they have changed. Criticize the man when necessary, but not for every issue. China is trying to help with North Korea, that is a huge change. What has changed with NATO is most of the countries have agreed to increase military spending to what is required.


    What has China DONE? Answer: Nothing

    What countries have ACTUALLY increased their spending to the level Trump wants? Answer: none of them

    But again it sounds like you believe this sort of Trumpism:

    This is a typical Trump pattern: Do nothing, declare the problem solved, claim victory. That isn’t deft diplomacy — it is a failure of nerve.


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