I disagree on a lot of that, but I'm happy we won the league. Thats not subjective. Id be okay never having another POY or COY if it meant we won the league every year.
How Cal doesn't win is beyond me. He lost 5 guys and still won the league by two games. The job he did between recruiting and in game winning is the best. It just is IMO, but I can see Mike White winning given how that award normally goes. (For Cal to beat Mike White without a second team PG in the defacto championship game is quite impressive. Cal only eins COY when we have a perfrct season and thats not fair).
What really annoys me is how Sindarius Thornwell is POY over Malik Monk. I wont even get into that one further.
Agree about Monk, no way he isn't POY. Disagree about COY. White followed a bona fide legend, and finished second in the SEC with a team not nearly as talented as UK. White got more out of his team IMO
"Alabama's cornerbacks don't impress me one bit. They're overrated. Real men don't play zone defense and we'll show them a thing or two come January 1."
Miami WR Lamar Thomas, the weeks before the 1993 Sugar Bowl national title game.
I guess it must be a stigma against South Carolina teams. I mean they're South Carolina, they can't possibly have a player win SEC Player of the Year.
The way Cal recruits bare mimimum makes him a candidate every year. To me the best coach in a given year is usually the one who won the championship. If we are saying it goes to who got the most out of his talent, did White get more than Bryce Drew did at Vandy given what Vandy lacks (i.e. no PG and a lack of post D) and considering he swept White?
Furthermore what does who White following Billy D have to do with this year. Billy was under .500 his last year for all intents and purposes. Likewise, Cal followed the dumpster fire that was Billy G at UK. He deserves credit for that imo. People think what Cal does is easy and just overlook him. If it were easy everybody would be doing it. Cal had one of his best years here, and in a weak league I think he was the best coach in the totality of recruiting, coaching, and winning. The only area you could sort of argue White was better was in coaching and that's not forgone.
And yeah White did finish second. Somebody is always going to finish second. Does that automatically shoo them in simply because Cal recruits so well? Arkansas finished second two years agi when we started 38-0. Mike Anderson wasn't coach of the year then.
Monk was the AP POY for the SEC, so I'm happy he got that one at least.
The idea he played 6 less games than Monk actually supports the case for Monk. Lets not act like Thornwell was injured. He got suspended for his own bad behavior/neglience.
Also, there is more to basketball than just scoring. I believe you brought up an argument a few years back about the difference between Downey and Wall and that there is more than just scoring. Wall filled up the stat sheet in more areas than scoring. That is the case this year with Thornwell, he did more than just score.
Did you even watch the Bama game? If it wasn't for him there wouldn't have been a first overtime let alone 3 more.
Be happy with the AP award, I believe I would trust what SEC coaches think over the Associated Press, these are the people who had to game plan for him after all.
Maybe Thornwell was more valuable (tho I'm not sure how to measure that), but is it called player of the year or most valuable player? I get there's more than just scoring btw, but the object of the game is to score. Score more than your opponent. FWIW, Im not the one using stats to try to make an argument here. That's you. Monk's value went beyond simply scoring points. We lose 4 games without him going off for 25 in second halves this year. That's winning. Rebounds and assists don't matter if you're losing. Thats value to use your words.
By the way, these same coaches youre touting are coaching in the weakest SEC in decades. Two of which have been fired and another whose AD had to give a vote of confidence for today. Congrats man. I am happy with an SEC championship, something Thornwell wasnt "valuable" enough to win. We can argue who deserves poy more. No arguing who the champ is.
These same coaches youre touting could only muster 2 wins over Monk, while 6 beat Thornwell. Maybe thats why this league is struggling. As a math teacher that math doesn't add up. It is amazing how Monk is higher up on All American lists nationally and draft boards. Thornwell had taken 4 years to get to this level. Monk has done it in one year. Is Cal that much better of a coach than Frank or is Monk simply better???
KT is so knowelegable about basketball, he can back his **** up. He can rip a program 6 ways to Sunday, yet turn around in the next breath and explain why that same program should/could/will be/is a great program.
I like and respect kentubby, he does know his stuff when it concerns college basketball.
This board would be boring if it wasn't for Kentubby's posts and the responses he gets.
Kentubby is one of my favorite posters on this board. Sure he has some personal views, but this board would be so if everyone agreed all the time that it wouldn't be worth going to. I'd challenge you to find another poster on this board that knows as much about EVERY SEC team as he does. He knows more about lowly South Carolina and our recruiting then alot of our own fans do. It would be a sad day for the basketball forum if he ever left.
To counter your point about losing 4 more games without Monk going off, SC loses a hell of lot more games without Thornwell going off almost every night. You missed the point about stats, my point was that each category that Thornwell excelled more than Monk proves that it isn't just scoring that makes you a complete player. Thornwell did every little thing night after night. Sure it took him 4 years but damnit he earned it.
You sure are ripping these SEC coaches pretty hard. How many SEC games have you coached? How many college games have you coached? High school? Middle School? These coaches forget more basketball knowledge in a day than you will ever know in your lifetime. They are the ones who are in fact making hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars every year to coach the game. You're a math teacher, far from a basketball coach.
Monk is higher up on draft boards based off potential. He has the potential to be a great player. Doesn't mean he's better than Thornwell at this moment.
No one is arguing who won the SEC championship. Be happy with the championship and congrats. Just don't rip down a very good SEC player who earned the right to be named SEC POY in the process.