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    Re: No more General Lee at Lee's Circle

    LOL You are funny.

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    Re: No more General Lee at Lee's Circle

    DinD:
    I know you are an honest man. I just think you have been brainwashed by the revisionist history taught to you. For example, the Great Emancipator issued this decree in 1863, not 1861. The goal was to foment a slave rebellion, which didn't occur. He didn't care about the slaves. In fact, he was a segregationist. He wanted them deported to Africa.
    The war was not fought over slavery. Both Grant and Sherman stated that they didn't fight to free the slaves. rather, they fought to preserve the Union. The war has been presented to later generations as good vs evil. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
    I didn't say anything about Lincoln.

    I said that the SOUTH left because of slavery. That is self evident reading the secession papers of the states. I know you are a smart person as well, but you have got to admit this to yourself.

    The war was absolutely fought over slavery. That is a historical fact.

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    Re: No more General Lee at Lee's Circle

    Quote Originally Posted by Just Some Hog Dude View Post
    Stone Mountain should dynamited immediately.
    Tear down the monuments, burn the books, the old South is gone and should be forgotten.

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    Re: No more General Lee at Lee's Circle

    From the Mayor of New Orleans speech on the matter:
    As President George W. Bush said at the dedication ceremony for the National Museum of African American History & Culture, “A great nation does not hide its history. It faces its flaws and corrects them.”
    So today I want to speak about why we chose to remove these four monuments to the Lost Cause of the Confederacy, but also how and why this process can move us towards healing and understanding of each other.
    So, let’s start with the facts.
    The historic record is clear: the Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis, and P.G.T. Beauregard statues were not erected just to honor these men, but as part of the movement which became known as The Cult of the Lost Cause. This ‘cult’ had one goal — through monuments and through other means — to rewrite history to hide the truth, which is that the Confederacy was on the wrong side of humanity.
    First erected over 166 years after the founding of our city and 19 years after the end of the Civil War, the monuments that we took down were meant to rebrand the history of our city and the ideals of a defeated Confederacy.
    It is self-evident that these men did not fight for the United States of America, They fought against it. They may have been warriors, but in this cause they were not patriots.
    These statues are not just stone and metal. They are not just innocent remembrances of a benign history. These monuments purposefully celebrate a fictional, sanitized Confederacy; ignoring the death, ignoring the enslavement, and the terror that it actually stood for.
    After the Civil War, these statues were a part of that terrorism as much as a burning cross on someone’s lawn; they were erected purposefully to send a strong message to all who walked in their shadows about who was still in charge in this city.
    Should you have further doubt about the true goals of the Confederacy, in the very weeks before the war broke out, the Vice President of the Confederacy, Alexander Stephens, made it clear that the Confederate cause was about maintaining slavery and white supremacy.
    He said in his now famous ‘Cornerstone speech’ that the Confederacy’s “cornerstone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery — subordination to the superior race — is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.”
    Now, with these shocking words still ringing in your ears, I want to try to gently peel from your hands the grip on a false narrative of our history that I think weakens us and make straight a wrong turn we made many years ago so we can more closely connect with integrity to the founding principles of our nation and forge a clearer and straighter path toward a better city and more perfect union.


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    Re: No more General Lee at Lee's Circle

    Quote Originally Posted by Really Big Bama Fan View Post
    Tear down the monuments, burn the books, the old South is gone and should be forgotten.
    Do you think slave masters should be honored with statues? Should tyranny be honored in such a way?

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    Re: No more General Lee at Lee's Circle

    Quote Originally Posted by Just Some Hog Dude View Post
    Do you think slave masters should be honored with statues? Should tyranny be honored in such a way?
    You mean like these guys that spread the lies and human suffering of socialism and communism?





    Since you're into tearing down statues, here's two you can begin with.

    Tearing down statues proves ignorance and that you have no regard to past history whatsoever.......


    "In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." - John Adams

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    Re: No more General Lee at Lee's Circle

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg in Dallas View Post
    I don't think any statue should come down - it all has historical reference, regardless of how complicated.
    So do you agree or disagree with Mitch Landrieu about removing the statues?

    You seem to want to straddle the fence by posting Landrieu's remarks....


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    Re: No more General Lee at Lee's Circle

    Quote Originally Posted by ECDawg78 View Post
    So do you agree or disagree with Mitch Landrieu about removing the statues?

    You seem to want to straddle the fence by posting Landrieu's remarks....
    The statues are to be relocated at some point. They should be on display, whether they should have remained in the same location as originally erected is up for debate, and apparently the City of New Orleans had a long debate over the issue and had multiple recommendations to remove them from the current location. Surely anyone who desires to allow local governments to control would appreciate the process that led to the removal from the original location, right.

    I personally see no harm in letting them remain where they were, but I don't live there and the citizens of that town thought differently.

    The purpose in posting PORTIONS of the Mayor's response is because some still to this day deny that the Civil war was about slavery. The quote of the Cornerstone speech affirms what is found in the documents by the states when they choose to leave the union.

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    Re: No more General Lee at Lee's Circle

    Quote Originally Posted by ECDawg78 View Post
    You mean like these guys that spread the lies and human suffering of socialism and communism?





    Since you're into tearing down statues, here's two you can begin with.

    Tearing down statues proves ignorance and that you have no regard to past history whatsoever.......
    Socialism didn't cause human suffering. It was the capitalist response to it that caused the suffering.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied...sian_Civil_War

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barbarossa

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Rolling_Thunder

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...o_against_Cuba

    Vladimir Lenin was a hero. He wasn't a slave master. He tried to get rid of the slave masters. Unfortunately the good guys are losing right now but hopefully they will win in the end.


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