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XPS
02-15-2009, 08:11 AM
You get the #1 draft pick from the SEC to start your new college basketball team..

XPS
02-15-2009, 08:15 AM
I love my man Meeks, but give me Devan Downey...

SkyAntoine
02-15-2009, 08:26 AM
I would take Vanilla Ice. Partially because I think he's a good baller (for a Gator) but also because I'd like to get him out of the conference.

It would be best for Meeks if he stuck around another year...ok...I don't know about Jodie, but it would be best for Cat fans.

XPS
02-15-2009, 08:28 AM
I would take Vanilla Ice. Partially because I think he's a good baller (for a Gator) but also because I'd like to get him out of the conference.

It would be best for Meeks if he stuck around another year...ok...I don't know about Jodie, but it would be best for Cat fans.

Vanilla Choke is really good no doubt;)

OffThePorch
02-15-2009, 08:43 AM
id take Calathes if starting from scratch.. as id want a good point first & imo he's the best in the league right now. .

yesterday for example
Calathes - 16 points 9 Rebounds 13 assist 3 turnovers
Downey - 18 points 5 rebounds 5 assist 4 turnovers

XPS
02-15-2009, 08:51 AM
id take Calathes if starting from scratch.. as id want a good point first & imo he's the best in the league right now. .

yesterday for example
Calathes - 16 points 9 Rebounds 13 assist 3 turnovers
Downey - 18 points 5 rebounds 5 assist 4 turnovers

Lets also point out that Downey's team won and Nick's didn't...

OffThePorch
02-15-2009, 08:55 AM
Lets also point out that Downey's team won and Nick's didn't...

SO. i thought we were voting for person.. not team. Nick did his job as the stats show. He even shot a better percentage than Downey.
go to SEC.com & look at the stats for the season.

XPS
02-15-2009, 09:03 AM
SO. i thought we were voting for person.. not team. Nick did his job as the stats show. He even shot a better percentage than Downey.
go to SEC.com & look at the stats for the season.

Those stats are useless if you lose to the worse team in the SEC(no offense Ga fans) I think Downey is more clutch than Nick)

OffThePorch
02-15-2009, 09:08 AM
xp... that makes no sense. You said pick the person starting a team from scratch. Now its team? So i should pick someone off a team that won yesterday? no thanks.

Id want a point guard to start &

Downey has 97 assist & 77 turnovers.
Calathes has 151 assist & 78 turnovers.

Calathes is 5th in the league in steals & Downey isnt in the top 15. Coalthes is 22 in the league in rebounding as a point & Downey isnt on the list.

OffThePorch
02-15-2009, 09:10 AM
FIELD GOAL PCT (Min. 5.0 made per game)
## Player-Team Cl G FG FGA Pct
----------------------------------------------------
1.Patrick Patterson-UK..... SO 24 169 263 .643
2.Alex Tyus-UF............. SO 24 129 211 .611
3.Jarvis Varnado-MS........ JR 24 120 200 .600
4.Michael Washington-AR.... JR 22 137 241 .568
5.Tasmin Mitchell-LS....... JR 24 156 279 .559
6.Korvotney Barber-AU...... SR 24 128 235 .545
7.Nick Calathes-UF......... SO 24 147 286 .514
8.Marcus Thornton-LS....... SR 24 169 347 .487
9.Jodie Meeks-UK........... JR 24 181 387 .468
10.Devan Downey-SC.......... JR 22 168 360 .467
11.Tyler Smith-UT........... JR 23 135 295 .458
12.Alonzo Gee-UA............ SR 23 119 274 .434
13.Courtney Fortson-AR...... FR 22 113 261 .433
14.David Huertas-UM......... JR 23 133 311 .428
15.Senario Hillman-UA....... SO 23 117 279 .419

XPS
02-15-2009, 09:12 AM
Head to head

Downey playing 9 less minutes total= 53 pts, 8rebs, 7asst and 3 steals
Nick 42pts, 11rebs, 10 asst and 3 steals

SkyAntoine
02-15-2009, 09:19 AM
I think Meeks is filling the perfect role at this point for his play. He's a score in bunches type and solid D guy. Not sure how he fits in the NBA as a secondary role player. He plays so wide open he's a little tough to throttle at times and gives up a few too many TO's.

Calathes could be a better scoring Rondo in the NBA. It's always interesting to see college guys make the leap so who knows...

XPS
02-15-2009, 09:19 AM
Let me also add, that Downey is playing with a bunch of 3 star and non rated players to Nick and his highly rated high school all-Americans...

XPS
02-15-2009, 09:22 AM
I think Meeks is filling the perfect role at this point for his play. He's a score in bunches type and solid D guy. Not sure how he fits in the NBA as a secondary role player. He plays so wide open he's a little tough to throttle at times and gives up a few too many TO's.


Calathes could be a better scoring Rondo in the NBA. It's always interesting to see college guys make the leap so who knows...

You really think so? I don't think they compare at all, Rondo is lighting fast, has mad hops and handles.

SkyAntoine
02-15-2009, 09:37 AM
You really think so? I don't think they compare at all, Rondo is lighting fast, has mad hops and handles.

They're different players, but I was referring to putting up big assist numbers and Calathes being a solid 12-15 ppg type player.

OffThePorch
02-15-2009, 09:39 AM
If i wanted just points & clutch id go with Meeks no doubt.. if im starting a team i want a point guard & its Nick no doubt.

Downey has 97 assist & 77 turnovers.
Calathes has 151 assist & 78 turnovers.

Coalthes is 22 in the league in rebounding as a point & Downey isnt on the list.

XPS
02-15-2009, 10:13 AM
If i wanted just points & clutch id go with Meeks no doubt.. if im starting a team i want a point guard & its Nick no doubt.

Downey has 97 assist & 77 turnovers.
Calathes has 151 assist & 78 turnovers.

Calathes is 5th in the league in steals & Downey isnt in the top 15. Coalthes is 22 in the league in rebounding as a point & Downey isnt on the list.

Really? Downey is #1 in steal with 23

STEALS
## Player-Team Cl G Steals Avg/G
------------------------------------------------
1.Devan Downey-SC.......... JR 9 23 2.56
2.DeWayne Reed-AU.......... JR 9 20 2.22
3.Tasmin Mitchell-LS....... JR 9 17 1.89
Courtney Fortson-AR...... FR 9 17 1.89
5.Barry Stewart-MS......... JR 9 16 1.78
6.Dee Bost-MS.............. FR 9 15 1.67
Phil Turner-MS........... SO 9 15 1.67
Marcus Thornton-LS....... SR 9 15 1.67
9.Senario Hillman-UA....... SO 9 14 1.56
Nick Calathes-UF......... SO 9 14 1.56
Quantez Robertson-AU..... SR 9 14 1.56
12.J.P. Prince-UT........... JR 9 13 1.44
Mike Holmes-SC........... SO 9 13 1.44
Dan Werner-UF............ JR 9 13 1.44
15.Tay Waller-AU............ JR 9 12 1.33
Walter Hodge-UF.......... SR 9 12 1.33

MKAU
02-15-2009, 10:51 AM
2 words.....


JARVIS

VARNADO


Scoring guards are a dime a dozen in this league. There are several capable point guards that can be gotten in a later round, if this were an actual draft. But there are very few high quality centers.

Personally, I'd be just fine with keeping my Auburn team if we just had a center like Varnado. We've got a point guard that is a little crazy at times but contributes big time. A shooting guard who can put up Meeks like numbers when he's feeling it (take yesterday for instance). Barret has turned out to be a decent swing man this year and Hargrove is a very good 6th man in that spot to. Barber at the 4 and Varnado at the 5 would make for the best big man combination in the league.

GatorMan32
02-15-2009, 11:04 AM
Those stats are useless if you lose to the worse team in the SEC(no offense Ga fans) I think Downey is more clutch than Nick)

what is your issue? you seem to be taking this personal.

OffThePorch
02-15-2009, 11:58 AM
2 words.....
JARVIS VARNADO
Scoring guards are a dime a dozen in this league. There are several capable point guards that can be gotten in a later round, if this were an actual draft. But there are very few high quality centers.
Personally, I'd be just fine with keeping my Auburn team if we just had a center like Varnado. We've got a point guard that is a little crazy at times but contributes big time. A shooting guard who can put up Meeks like numbers when he's feeling it (take yesterday for instance). Barret has turned out to be a decent swing man this year and Hargrove is a very good 6th man in that spot to. Barber at the 4 and Varnado at the 5 would make for the best big man combination in the league.

Jarvis is a good one. next season he/should be very good. Congrats on the win yesterday. hopefully payback will happen. :kiss:

UA37
02-15-2009, 12:46 PM
I went with Mr. Clutch Devan Downey. Varnado and Thorton should be on the list too.

Just Some Hog Dude
02-15-2009, 12:58 PM
The guy I would take is representing McGehee, Arkansas. "There go Michael Jordan" would be next.

BleedPurpleandGold
02-15-2009, 07:09 PM
2 words.....


JARVIS

VARNADO


Scoring guards are a dime a dozen in this league. There are several capable point guards that can be gotten in a later round, if this were an actual draft. But there are very few high quality centers.

Personally, I'd be just fine with keeping my Auburn team if we just had a center like Varnado. We've got a point guard that is a little crazy at times but contributes big time. A shooting guard who can put up Meeks like numbers when he's feeling it (take yesterday for instance). Barret has turned out to be a decent swing man this year and Hargrove is a very good 6th man in that spot to. Barber at the 4 and Varnado at the 5 would make for the best big man combination in the league.

That was my thought as well, i'd like to start with him and build around him.

BleedBlue7
02-15-2009, 08:11 PM
Personally, I'd take Patrick Patterson...

boxvic
02-15-2009, 09:54 PM
I went with Meeks, and it wasn't a homer vote.

He is a pure scorer, and he has proven this year that a pure scorer can take a team with average support players and win.

My second pick would be Calathes for the PG spot.

kentubbybasketball
02-16-2009, 01:27 PM
No, doubt about it, I'd take Nick Calathes. He's a stat sheet stuffer, a threat for a triple double every gamr... more than anything, he's able to play the most important position. Teams with great point guards usually play up... so I'd go with Nick, seeing as how he can not only play that position but guard up to the 4 if you just needed him to. Calathes is the "Kyle Singler" of the SEC, Mr. Versatility... the best player in the entire league.

If UK only had Nick Calathes on this team. No way Alex Tyus has the year he's having without Calathes. Calathes is so deceptive. He's not the quickest or most athletic, but he gets the job done.

Personally, though, I feel like Jodie Meeks has been the SEC Player of the Year thus far this season though.

kentubbybasketball
02-16-2009, 01:48 PM
Who gave me rep for that post?

kentubbybasketball
02-16-2009, 01:56 PM
I think Meeks is filling the perfect role at this point for his play. He's a score in bunches type and solid D guy. Not sure how he fits in the NBA as a secondary role player. He plays so wide open he's a little tough to throttle at times and gives up a few too many TO's.

Calathes could be a better scoring Rondo in the NBA. It's always interesting to see college guys make the leap so who knows...

Some guys fit the NBA game better, think Chris Paul. In the NBA with a longer three point line he actually has more space to work with, which plays into his "niftiness."

Calathes though is a guy that I would compare more to Steve Nash than Rajon Rondo. Calathes is a much more adequate shooter than Jodie. If Calathes is placed in the right system, he should flourish, like Nash did when he moved from Dallas to Phx. I think Calathes favors Nash more due to his shooting ability though, plus, neither Nash nor Calathes are anywhere close to as athletic as Rajon. Plus, Rajon just had huge, huge, huge hands.

Dollar Theater
02-16-2009, 02:07 PM
I'd take Downey. I wouldn't trade him for anybody else in the SEC.

OffThePorch
02-16-2009, 03:03 PM
I'd take Downey. I wouldn't trade him for anybody else in the SEC.

I wouldnt trade Bost for anyone. he has more assist & less turnovers than Downey... & is a true freshman.

bleedorange1983
02-16-2009, 07:35 PM
as much as I want to say Tyler, Devon is the most versatile player on this list. Calathes rivals him but doesn't have near Downey's quickness off the dribble. Meeks is a J.J. Redick.

SkyAntoine
02-16-2009, 07:55 PM
as much as I want to say Tyler, Devon is the most versatile player on this list. Calathes rivals him but doesn't have near Downey's quickness off the dribble. Meeks is a J.J. Redick.

Please tell me you didn't make a comparison between Meeks and a Puke player.

bleedorange1983
02-16-2009, 08:06 PM
Please tell me you didn't make a comparison between Meeks and a Puke player.

I was trying to make the point that Meeks is strictly a scorer, like Redick was.

XPS
02-16-2009, 08:27 PM
I wouldnt trade Bost for anyone. he has more assist & less turnovers than Downey... & is a true freshman.

Bost also plays more minutes and only has 3 more asst....

weegeman
02-16-2009, 09:35 PM
Who gave me rep for that post?

You'd know if you bought a membership... :)

weegeman
02-16-2009, 09:36 PM
Since we're talking about the NBA here, I'll take the blue collar worker of the bunch who'll bring it Old School style. Give me Patterson.

OffThePorch
02-16-2009, 09:48 PM
Since we're talking about the NBA here, I'll take the blue collar worker of the bunch who'll bring it Old School style. Give me Patterson.

who is Patterson :think:

i think id rather have JV.. he plays defense.

kentubbybasketball
02-17-2009, 07:07 AM
as much as I want to say Tyler, Devon is the most versatile player on this list. Calathes rivals him but doesn't have near Downey's quickness off the dribble. Meeks is a J.J. Redick.

You've got to be kidding me. Both Redick and Meeks are great shooters, but you can't look at those two players and not admit Jodie is a much better defender, partially because he had more athleticism.

Also, Calathes isn't as quick as Downey, but he's "fast," and most coaches will "settle for that." What Calathes gives up to Downey in quickness, he certainly makes us for in rebounding and things like that.

OffThePorch
02-17-2009, 07:19 AM
Bost also plays more minutes and only has 3 more asst....

playing more is good.. esp for a freshman. im not saying Bost is Downey yet in scoring... but in pg play he's there. my vote to Calathes.

Downey - 97 assist & 77 turnovers - Juniior
Bost - 106 assist & 62 turrnovers - true Freshman

ASSIST/TURNOVER RATIO (Min. 3.0 assists/game)
## Player-Team Cl G Asst Avg Turn Avg Ratio
---------------------------------------------------------------
1.Jermaine Beal-VU......... JR 23 78 3.4 33 1.4 2.36
2.Bobby Maze-UT............ JR 23 83 3.6 39 1.7 2.13
3.Garrett Temple-LS........ SR 24 96 4.0 46 1.9 2.09
4.Nick Calathes-UF......... SO 24 151 6.3 78 3.3 1.94
5.J.P. Prince-UT........... JR 20 61 3.1 35 1.8 1.74
6.Quantez Robertson-AU..... SR 24 84 3.5 49 2.0 1.71
7.Dee Bost-MS.............. FR 24 106 4.4 62 2.6 1.71
8.Tyler Smith-UT........... JR 23 81 3.5 50 2.2 1.62
9.Zac Swansey-UG........... SO 23 79 3.4 51 2.2 1.55
10.Courtney Fortson-AR...... FR 22 142 6.5 95 4.3 1.49
11.DeWayne Reed-AU.......... JR 24 92 3.8 63 2.6 1.46
12.Devan Downey-SC.......... JR 22 97 4.4 77 3.5 1.26
13.DeAndre Liggins-UK....... FR 23 73 3.2 64 2.8 1.14

kentubbybasketball
02-17-2009, 01:48 PM
BTW, I think if you were to ask, most people would probably take Redick in college over Downey.