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Herchel
04-16-2008, 12:26 PM
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/04/16/Obama_Springsteen_0416.html

The "Boss" also endorsed Ozone Man and Winter Soldier.


Bruce Springsteen endorses Obama


By JOAN LOWY
Associated Press

Published on: 04/16/08

WASHINGTON — Rock star Bruce Springsteen endorsed Democratic Sen. Barack Obama for president Wednesday, saying "he speaks to the America I've envisioned in my music for the past 35 years."

In a letter addressed to friends and fans posted his Web site, Springsteen said he believes Obama is the best candidate to undo "the terrible damage done over the past eight years."
president," the letter said. "He speaks to the America I've envisioned in my music for the past 35 years, a generous nation with a citizenry willing to tackle nuanced and complex problems, a country that's interested in its collective destiny and in the potential of its gathered spirit. A place where '...nobody crowds you, and nobody goes it alone.' "

The bard of New Jersey is known for his lyrics about the struggles of working-class Americans, particularly in the economically ravaged factory towns of the Northeast.

Springsteen and his E Street band were part of the Vote or Change tour, a coalition of musicians opposed to the re-election of President Bush in 2004. He wrote the anti-war ballad "Devils and Dust" about Iraq.

Springsteen did not directly mention Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Obama's rival for the Democratic nomination, in his letter, but appeared to take issue with her recent criticisms of comments made by Obama about working-class voters in small towns in Pennsylvania and controversial statements by his pastor.

"Critics have tried to diminish Senator Obama through the exaggeration of certain of his comments and relationships," Springsteen wrote. "While these matters are worthy of some discussion, they have been ripped out of the context and fabric of the man's life and vision ... often in order to distract us from discussing the real issues: war and peace, the fight for economic and racial justice, reaffirming our Constitution, and the protection and enhancement of our environment."

Dawg in Dallas
04-16-2008, 12:46 PM
Herchel, what is your catchy nnickname for Obama? "Maybe Muslim guy?"

CrimsonPirate
04-16-2008, 12:47 PM
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/04/16/Obama_Springsteen_0416.html

The "Boss" also endorsed Ozone Man and Winter Soldier.




By JOAN LOWY
Associated Press

Published on: 04/16/08

WASHINGTON — Rock star Bruce Springsteen endorsed Democratic Sen. Barack Obama for president Wednesday, saying "he speaks to the America I've envisioned in my music for the past 35 years."

In a letter addressed to friends and fans posted his Web site, Springsteen said he believes Obama is the best candidate to undo "the terrible damage done over the past eight years."
president," the letter said. "He speaks to the America I've envisioned in my music for the past 35 years, a generous nation with a citizenry willing to tackle nuanced and complex problems, a country that's interested in its collective destiny and in the potential of its gathered spirit. A place where '...nobody crowds you, and nobody goes it alone.' "

The bard of New Jersey is known for his lyrics about the struggles of working-class Americans, particularly in the economically ravaged factory towns of the Northeast.

Springsteen and his E Street band were part of the Vote or Change tour, a coalition of musicians opposed to the re-election of President Bush in 2004. He wrote the anti-war ballad "Devils and Dust" about Iraq.

Springsteen did not directly mention Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Obama's rival for the Democratic nomination, in his letter, but appeared to take issue with her recent criticisms of comments made by Obama about working-class voters in small towns in Pennsylvania and controversial statements by his pastor.

"Critics have tried to diminish Senator Obama through the exaggeration of certain of his comments and relationships," Springsteen wrote. "While these matters are worthy of some discussion, they have been ripped out of the context and fabric of the man's life and vision ... often in order to distract us from discussing the real issues: war and peace, the fight for economic and racial justice, reaffirming our Constitution, and the protection and enhancement of our environment."

Makes you just want to run out and vote for the man, don't it? Huh? Don't it? Golleee, Barn!

Elvis
04-16-2008, 01:03 PM
Herchel, what is your catchy nnickname for Obama? "Maybe Muslim guy?"

Let me help you clarify Herchel's position
http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2007/01/obamabinladen.jpg
http://www.onenightstandtshirts.com/images/barack-obama-big.jpg
http://home.att.net/~phildragoo/wsb/media/240742/site1119.JPG
http://politicalpartypoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/muslim11.jpg

I hope this clears up your confusion DiD

Herchel
04-16-2008, 01:20 PM
I have no nickname for Obama, nor did I invent those assigned to Gore and Kerry. You may continue in your attempts to diminsh my opinions through insinuations of xenophobia and racism if you wish.
My point in this thread was that Springsteen has a poor track record of picking winners. Have a nice day.

Elvis
04-16-2008, 01:24 PM
I have no nickname for Obama, nor did I invent those assigned to Gore and Kerry. You may continue in your attempts to diminsh my opinions through insinuations of xenophobia and racism if you wish.
My point in this thread was that Springsteen has a poor track record of picking winners. Have a nice day.

Not trying to diminish it. Just exposing its irrationality. Why then is Obama's religious preference such a big deal for you to continually point out?

As to your topic? Meh. People who endorse aren't a big deal. Why anyone should care what an entertainer has to say more than joe shmo on the street is beyond me.

Herchel
04-16-2008, 01:39 PM
Why then is Obama's religious preference such a big deal for you to continually point out?
I haven't.

Dawg in Dallas
04-16-2008, 03:32 PM
Please...

Herchel
04-16-2008, 03:36 PM
Please...

Y'all made the accusations, post the evidence.

joehogjoe
04-16-2008, 04:23 PM
Please...Herchel doesn't have a problem with Christianity, Obama's religious preference.

SkyAntoine
04-16-2008, 04:30 PM
How did Springsteen endorsing Obama turn into a holy war?

I wish these artists would keep their opinions to themselves. When I hear their music or see them on screen I have to pretend they're really smarter than they come across. I can't even watch Beetlejuice without wondering why Alec didn't leave like he promised.

It really puts a damper on my everyday life.

Bacon
04-16-2008, 04:41 PM
I thought Springsteen was dead.

SkyAntoine
04-16-2008, 05:03 PM
I thought Springsteen was dead.

Just his career. Little Stevie has upstaged him now...
http://z.about.com/d/tvdramas/1/0/G/L/sopranossea6-13.jpg

Elvis
04-16-2008, 05:25 PM
Instead of redoing the whole debate Herchel, I will refer you back to here. (http://www.secfanatics.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=42445&highlight=muslim+islam)

Allow me to do a Herchel impersonation. I will change Obama to Jesus. This has been your stance Herchel.

Elvis: The Bible says Jesus spent time with children. Did he like children or was he a pedophile?
Swampmonster: He is the Son of God. How dare you blaspheme Him!
OffThePorch: Why do you hate Christians? In the Bible it says....
Elvis: People can say anything. It does not disprove Jesus was a pedophile.
CrimsonPirate: You do not seriously believe that Jesus was a pedophile?
Elvis: I don't know if Jesus was a pedophile. It has not been disproven.


:sarcasm: I cannot imagine why people would think you question Obama's choice of religion.

Bacon
04-16-2008, 06:13 PM
I'm confused. Which one is the pedophile, Jesus, Obama, or Springteen?

georgiaguy31015
04-16-2008, 06:17 PM
I hope this is the kiss of death for Obama. That would be cool.

Dawg in Dallas
04-16-2008, 08:27 PM
Instead of redoing the whole debate Herchel, I will refer you back to here. (http://www.secfanatics.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=42445&highlight=muslim+islam)

Allow me to do a Herchel impersonation. I will change Obama to Jesus. This has been your stance Herchel.

Elvis: The Bible says Jesus spent time with children. Did he like children or was he a pedophile?
Swampmonster: He is the Son of God. How dare you blaspheme Him!
OffThePorch: Why do you hate Christians? In the Bible it says....
Elvis: People can say anything. It does not disprove Jesus was a pedophile.
CrimsonPirate: You do not seriously believe that Jesus was a pedophile?
Elvis: I don't know if Jesus was a pedophile. It has not been disproven.


:sarcasm: I cannot imagine why people would think you question Obama's choice of religion.

:bow::bow::rotf::rotf:

Genius!!

CrimsonPirate
04-16-2008, 10:16 PM
:bow::bow::rotf::rotf:

Genius!!

Well, there's no accounting for taste, DiD.

Herchel
04-17-2008, 06:37 AM
Instead of redoing the whole debate Herchel, I will refer you back to here. (http://www.secfanatics.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=42445&highlight=muslim+islam)

Allow me to do a Herchel impersonation. I will change Obama to Jesus. This has been your stance Herchel.

Elvis: The Bible says Jesus spent time with children. Did he like children or was he a pedophile?
Swampmonster: He is the Son of God. How dare you blaspheme Him!
OffThePorch: Why do you hate Christians? In the Bible it says....
Elvis: People can say anything. It does not disprove Jesus was a pedophile.
CrimsonPirate: You do not seriously believe that Jesus was a pedophile?
Elvis: I don't know if Jesus was a pedophile. It has not been disproven.


:sarcasm: I cannot imagine why people would think you question Obama's choice of religion.

Cute, but you failed to present any evidence whatsoever to back your claim.

Why then is Obama's religious preference such a big deal for you to continually point out?

Elvis
04-17-2008, 08:23 AM
Cute, but you failed to present any evidence whatsoever to back your claim.

Actually, I believe I have.

rolling baby
04-17-2008, 06:36 PM
How many kisses of death has Obama endured? His pastor, wifey, himself, that guy on trial............

ufgators68
04-18-2008, 07:18 AM
How many kisses of death has Obama endured? His pastor, wifey, himself, that guy on trial............

Does Kim Kardashian, wearing a "Obama is my homeboy" t-shirt count as one?:rotf::rotf:

USC90
04-18-2008, 07:40 AM
How many kisses of death has Obama endured? His pastor, wifey, himself, that guy on trial............


Ongoing nomination fight hurting Clinton more than Obama (http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-obama-gains;_ylt=AplkYe7Ieygly_mFLvuiUg9snwcF)
By CHARLES BABINGTON and TREVOR TOMPSON, Associated Press Writers
WASHINGTON (AP) — In a dramatic reversal, an Associated Press-Yahoo! News poll found that a clear majority of Democratic voters now say Sen. Barack Obama has a better chance of defeating Republican Sen. John McCain in November than Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/ww/news/2008/04/17/ap_polls_graphic_gainsshort.jpg

I thought he did poorly in the last debate, but rightly or wrongly, the perception keeps growing that he is a different kind of candidate -- that he is staying above the fray -- and this strategy is paying off. I'm enjoying the spectacle of the Clintons as they punch ever more furiously at Obama only to parried or redirected Aikido-style.

Of course it's easy to appear noble when you're being compared to the Clintons. It will be far more interesting when he goes up against McCain.

Really Big Bama Fan
04-18-2008, 08:26 AM
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/ww/news/2008/04/17/ap_polls_graphic_gainsshort.jpg

I thought he did poorly in the last debate, but rightly or wrongly, the perception keeps growing that he is a different kind of candidate -- that he is staying above the fray -- and this strategy is paying off. I'm enjoying the spectacle of the Clintons as they punch ever more furiously at Obama only to parried or redirected Aikido-style.

Of course it's easy to appear noble when you're being compared to the Clintons. It will be far more interesting when he goes up against McCain.

USC90,
Sounds like Peggy Noonan (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120846056666123713.html?mod=todays_columnists) may agree with you.

And now his problem emerges. It is two-headed. It is not that he is African-American, or half so, and it is not that he is liberal. Liberalism too, one senses, is having a moment.

It is his youth, his relative untriedness, the fact that he has not suffered, been seasoned, been beat about the head by life and left struggling back, as happens to most adults by a certain time. This is what I hear from older people, who vote in great numbers. They are not hostile to his race, they are skeptical of his inexperience.

The other is elitism, a charge that clearly grates on him and unnerves his wife, who has a great deal that would be attractive in a first lady (intelligence, accomplishment, beauty) but lacks placidity, which is, actually, necessary. All first ladies, first spouses, should be like Denis Thatcher, slightly dazed, mildly inscrutable, utterly supportive. It is the only job in the world where "seems slightly drugged" is a positive job qualification. The key is to know you are not the drama, you do not draw the lightning, you are a background player who yet has deep, unseen power. (The "deep, unseen power" part keeps you serene and energized. The constant possibility of quiet revenge keeps one peppy.)

Sen. Obama seems honestly surprised by the furor his the-poor-cling-to-God-and-guns remarks elicited, and if one considers his background—intense marginalization followed by the establishment's embrace—this is understandable. He was only caught speaking the secret language of America's elite, and what he said was not meant as a putdown. It was an explanation aimed at ameliorating the elites' anger toward and impatience with normal people. It's a way of explaining them, of saying, "You have to remember they're not comfortable and educated like us, they're vulnerable and so we must try to understand them and feel sympathy for and solidarity with them." You could say this at any high-class dinner party in America and not cause a ruffle. But America is not a high-class dinner party.

USC90
04-18-2008, 08:32 AM
USC90,
Sounds like Peggy Noonan (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120846056666123713.html?mod=todays_columnists) may agree with you.

Though she is certainly more socially conservative than I am, I generally agree with the Peggster, even if I find her writing style to be off-putting.

Herchel
04-18-2008, 02:53 PM
Actually, I believe I have.

No you haven't. You have found a post where I indicated I didn't know what religion, if any, that Obama followed. You can probably find one or two more if you try. That is a far cry from from what you have attempted to portray. I have posted often on Obama and the other candidates, and religion has been mentioned in a small minority of these posts. One would think that an officer of the court would be a champion of justice and fairness.

SkyAntoine
04-18-2008, 03:30 PM
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/ww/news/2008/04/17/ap_polls_graphic_gainsshort.jpg

I thought he did poorly in the last debate, but rightly or wrongly, the perception keeps growing that he is a different kind of candidate -- that he is staying above the fray -- and this strategy is paying off. I'm enjoying the spectacle of the Clintons as they punch ever more furiously at Obama only to parried or redirected Aikido-style.

Of course it's easy to appear noble when you're being compared to the Clintons. It will be far more interesting when he goes up against McCain.

I'm pulling for Hillary because I think she is much more despised. (Pulling to run against...not win.)
http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_jul2003/BabyPunch.jpg

georgiaguy31015
04-18-2008, 03:36 PM
I'm pulling for Hillary because I think she is much more despised. (Pulling to run against...not win.)
http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_jul2003/BabyPunch.jpg

I love that picture lol.