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Bama_Man
07-22-2017, 03:17 PM
I didn't know this, but Eddie Lacy finished his career at Alabama averaging 6.8 YPC. That's pretty incredible. Not like he didn't have attempts, he had over 350 carries. As a matter of fact, every starting RB from Bama since Glen Coffee have averaged at least 5.7 YPC (Henry-6.0; Yeldon-5.8; Ingram-5.7; Richardson-5.8; Lacy-6.8). That blew my mind. It's a testament to the OLs as well as the talent at RB. Henry averaged 6.0 YPC and had 600 rushes. He topped Shaun Alexander's career rush total (SA had 3,565 while Henry clipped him with 3,591. Alexander had more TDs by four but Henry had 1.1 more YPC.

The Zou
07-22-2017, 03:46 PM
I didn't know this, but Eddie Lacy finished his career at Alabama averaging 6.8 YPC. That's pretty incredible. Not like he didn't have attempts, he had over 350 carries. As a matter of fact, every starting RB from Bama since Glen Coffee have averaged at least 5.7 YPC (Henry-6.0; Yeldon-5.8; Ingram-5.7; Richardson-5.8; Lacy-6.8). That blew my mind. It's a testament to the OLs as well as the talent at RB. Henry averaged 6.0 YPC and had 600 rushes. He topped Shaun Alexander's career rush total (SA had 3,565 while Henry clipped him with 3,591. Alexander had more TDs by four but Henry had 1.1 more YPC.

Thats exactly right; AL is on their own level in the trenches!!

Just Some Hog Dude
07-22-2017, 04:09 PM
Felix Jones had 7.7 yards per carry on 386 carries.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/felix-jones-1.html

Bama_Man
07-22-2017, 05:17 PM
Thats exactly right; AL is on their own level in the trenches!!

Haven't had a ton of success in the NFL so far (just ask H., he's still bitter over two Bama C getting All-SEC over two UGA guys lol) but guys like Warmack and Cam Robinson were excellent run blockers.
No slouches at RB either, aside from Henry every Bama RB has had at least one NFL season with at least 700 yards except Henry who had 450ish and like 4-5 TD behind Murray for the Titans. Take out Yeldon and the other three have all had seasons with 950+ rush yards.

Bama_Man
07-22-2017, 05:17 PM
Felix Jones had 7.7 yards per carry on 386 carries.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/felix-jones-1.html

That's nuts. He had over 8 YPC his last season in Fayetteville.

The Zou
07-22-2017, 06:00 PM
Haven't had a ton of success in the NFL so far (just ask H., he's still bitter over two Bama C getting All-SEC over two UGA guys lol) but guys like Warmack and Cam Robinson were excellent run blockers.
No slouches at RB either, aside from Henry every Bama RB has had at least one NFL season with at least 700 yards except Henry who had 450ish and like 4-5 TD behind Murray for the Titans. Take out Yeldon and the other three have all had seasons with 950+ rush yards.

Having top to bottom OL dominance in college doesn't exactly transmit to NFL dominance -- the games are different.

Just Some Hog Dude
07-22-2017, 06:12 PM
That's nuts. He had over 8 YPC his last season in Fayetteville.

Sometimes him and McFadden were like Tecmo Bowl out there. You might be too young for the reference. Peyton Hillis was on that team too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PBvOxicz-0

Bama_Man
07-22-2017, 10:20 PM
Sometimes him and McFadden were like Tecmo Bowl out there. You might be too young for the reference. Peyton Hillis was on that team too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PBvOxicz-0
We are close to the same age. I'm very familiar with Tecmo Bowl, using Bo Jackson was basically cheating.

Bama_Man
07-22-2017, 10:22 PM
Having top to bottom OL dominance in college doesn't exactly transmit to NFL dominance -- the games are different.
Most of the guys were 4-5* guys tho, you'd figure at least one or two would be NFL stars. Warmack was a high pick but hasn't became a dominant NFL OG yet. Maybe Cam Robinson can be that guy, but I doubt it. He bends at the waist too much, comes off way too high at times and struggles against quicker DEs and LBs.

The Zou
07-23-2017, 12:06 AM
Most of the guys were 4-5* guys tho, you'd figure at least one or two would be NFL stars. Warmack was a high pick but hasn't became a dominant NFL OG yet. Maybe Cam Robinson can be that guy, but I doubt it. He bends at the waist too much, comes off way too high at times and struggles against quicker DEs and LBs.

Great college programs don't recruit for NFL dominance -- Miami was "NFL U" for a while, but that only works for short periods.

Likewise, 4/5* does not take a position on NFL productivity -- A LOT happens between 18-22 that determines if someone is NFL talent.

In terms of Bama as a program, their college dominance is incontestable... imo. No program is even close!!! BUT... as of May 2016 they only had 3 more NFL players than LSU and 6 more than FL & Ohio St.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2637667-10-college-football-teams-with-most-players-in-nfl-today.amp.html

College football dominance simply isn't the same as NFL...

Bama_Man
07-23-2017, 12:49 AM
Great college programs don't recruit for NFL dominance -- Miami was "NFL U" for a while, but that only works for short periods.

Likewise, 4/5* does not take a position on NFL productivity -- A LOT happens between 18-22 that determines if someone is NFL talent.

In terms of Bama as a program, their college dominance is incontestable... imo. No program is even close!!! BUT... as of May 2016 they only had 3 more NFL players than LSU and 6 more than FL & Ohio St.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2637667-10-college-football-teams-with-most-players-in-nfl-today.amp.html

College football dominance simply isn't the same as NFL...


It's not like those three mentioned are slouches, all three regularly land top recruiting classes.
You're right that college success isn't a great predictor of NFL success, but 4/5* kids do success in the NFL at a higher rate per capita.
In the 2017 Pro Bowl, 35 of the stars who were there were four or five star recruits. 80 players make it, so that's a rate of 44%. So while being a highly rated recruit doesn't guarantee NFL success, it is a decent indicator for future potential as most 4-5* kids receive those ratings based on freak athleticism and great measurables.

ECDawg78
07-23-2017, 10:22 AM
Having top to bottom OL dominance in college doesn't exactly transmit to NFL dominance -- the games are different.

Smart and Pittman are working hard to bring the same style and type of OL dominance to Athens.

With the quality of backs we have always had, hopefully they can begin to replicate Bama's success in the near future.

The Zou
07-23-2017, 11:04 AM
Smart and Pittman are working hard to bring the same style and type of OL dominance to Athens.

With the quality of backs we have always had, hopefully they can begin to replicate Bama's success in the near future.

GA has (imo) been stronger in the backfield then Bama... IF/WHEN healthy. It would be interesting to see the last 5 years if GA didn't lose a few Heismans to injury.

If they had the same push up front as Bama... then I have to believe GA wins a big trophy one of those years. I couldn't imagine trying to stop Gurley running behind Bama's OL; the only chance is to try to stack the box... which means you will just get play-actioned to death.

The Zou
07-23-2017, 11:16 AM
It's not like those three mentioned are slouches, all three regularly land top recruiting classes.
You're right that college success isn't a great predictor of NFL success, but 4/5* kids do success in the NFL at a higher rate per capita.
In the 2017 Pro Bowl, 35 of the stars who were there were four or five star recruits. 80 players make it, so that's a rate of 44%. So while being a highly rated recruit doesn't guarantee NFL success, it is a decent indicator for future potential as most 4-5* kids receive those ratings based on freak athleticism and great measurables.

Yeah, there is always huge expectations with 4/5 stars, no doubt! What is crazy is that if you break it down -- as they do in this link (https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/1938590-whats-the-success-rate-for-5-star-recruits-reaching-the-nfl.amp.html) -- 5* OL actually have the worst draft record (31%) compared to other positions. I'm just best-guessing... but the games are so much different -- a dominant run blocker will get recruited to any/every school... but no one knows if they can pass block until AT LEAST college. AND THEN... for some OL anyway, they will be ready to move on to Sundays and scouts still wont know if they can pass block.

Imagine a 4/5* OL that played at Auburn when Cam was QB -- would he even get much development to pass block in NFL?!?!? Its just a totally different game...

Herchel
07-23-2017, 12:36 PM
Yeah, there is always huge expectations with 4/5 stars, no doubt! What is crazy is that if you break it down -- as they do in this link (https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/1938590-whats-the-success-rate-for-5-star-recruits-reaching-the-nfl.amp.html) -- 5* OL actually have the worst draft record (31%) compared to other positions. I'm just best-guessing... but the games are so much different -- a dominant run blocker will get recruited to any/every school... but no one knows if they can pass block until AT LEAST college. AND THEN... for some OL anyway, they will be ready to move on to Sundays and scouts still wont know if they can pass block.

Imagine a 4/5* OL that played at Auburn when Cam was QB -- would he even get much development to pass block in NFL?!?!? Its just a totally different game...

It is pretty clear the O linemen on spread teams don't do well in the NFL. Greg Robinson has been a complete bust, for example. They simply can't block in a pro style offense. Their job in a spread is to get in someone's way. In a pro style offense like UGA, Bama, LSU, the o linemen actually have to move someone.

Bama_Man
07-23-2017, 05:04 PM
Yeah, there is always huge expectations with 4/5 stars, no doubt! What is crazy is that if you break it down -- as they do in this link (https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/1938590-whats-the-success-rate-for-5-star-recruits-reaching-the-nfl.amp.html) -- 5* OL actually have the worst draft record (31%) compared to other positions. I'm just best-guessing... but the games are so much different -- a dominant run blocker will get recruited to any/every school... but no one knows if they can pass block until AT LEAST college. AND THEN... for some OL anyway, they will be ready to move on to Sundays and scouts still wont know if they can pass block.

Imagine a 4/5* OL that played at Auburn when Cam was QB -- would he even get much development to pass block in NFL?!?!? Its just a totally different game...

I didn't realize how much the percentage drops when it's OL 4/5*. That's wild.
But you were 100% right about offense style and scheme, it's like QBs. Spread, HUNO offenses don't produce great NFL QBs mostly. The reads are too simple and the QBs can't run in the NFL. Also those offenses don't require making reads like pro style offenses do. Same goes for the OL. It's mostly stationary pass blocking and straight ahead run blocks. Not as many traps and pulls. They are also smaller and less strong which kills them at the NFL level.

Dr.SwineSmeller
08-01-2017, 09:58 PM
That's nuts. He had over 8 YPC his last season in Fayetteville.

And then was nothing more than mediocre as a pro, at best.