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GoDores
06-02-2016, 02:39 PM
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/15885267/kentucky-wildcats-coach-john-calipari-suggests-moving-sec-tournament-november (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/15885267/kentucky-wildcats-coach-john-calipari-suggests-moving-sec-tournament-november)

Calipari wants the SEC tournament moved to November. Thoughts?

I give this .01% chance of happening and the reason is football. It does make more sense to give the regular season champion the auto bid, but that's just not how college basketball does it outside of the Ivy for academic reasons. I love the conference tourneys as a warm up to the NCAA tourney. We already have the destination tourneys in November anyways.

If anything, I think you give the regular season and conference tourney winners auto bids. Expand the tournament to 96 teams and give 1-8 seeds a first round bye. I don't know if I even like that idea. I don't think anything is broke right now. But I don't think Cal's argument is how to give out auto bids, he just doesn't like the conference tourneys.

Dawgilicious
06-02-2016, 03:52 PM
It will never happen and makes no sense. Why would you play a conference tourney before the season starts? All it takes is for one guy to get seriously hurt and that would end that. I dont see an expansion ever going that far. I think the only reason he is bringing this up is because TAMU got a 3 seed and they got a 4, even after beating them in the SECT title game

joehogjoe
06-02-2016, 04:36 PM
What a retarded idea.

GR8NESS
06-02-2016, 06:28 PM
Cal is trolling. Making the point "the committee doesn't care anyway!" just in an extremely stupid manner.

GoDores
06-02-2016, 07:48 PM
Cal's argument there about the seeding with A&M is weak though. Obviously the seeding and selection aren't going to be based on 1 game.

kentubbybasketball
06-06-2016, 05:40 PM
Cal is trolling. Making the point "the committee doesn't care anyway!" just in an extremely stupid manner.

Exactly. Cal wants to move the SECT to November as much as he wants to lose another recruit. The idea here is that Cal is basically saying the event doesn't have any cachet. It's not anything he hasn't said before. He dislikes the SECT and honestly the winner of the SECT doesn't get any respect, so from Cal's perspective, why play it. Sure, if UGA, USC, or UF would've won last year and gotten an auto bid, it would have been meaningful. However, the SECT is not meaningful to Cal's program, especially with the committee ignoring last year's tourney.

People have to stop taking Cal so literally... like saying things like I give this a .01% chance of happening. No kidding, Sherlock. When Cal started saying play two games at once with a curtain in between them... then it's obvious it's a joke. Funny though, what kind of basketball is played simultaneously with a curtain between courts?.,. AAU. Cal is basically saying the relevance level of the SECT is on thelevel of AAU basketball. Sankey can't like to hear that when the only recognizable basketball figure in his league is saying that about the league's flagship basketball event.

kentubbybasketball
06-06-2016, 05:43 PM
Cal's argument there about the seeding with A&M is weak though. Obviously the seeding and selection aren't going to be based on 1 game.

Touche... hence Cal's point. Why play the one game when it doesn't move the needle on seeding and selection. Playing one SECT game (in their hometown notwithstanding) almost cost Vandy a bid, given UT handled Vandy. What did Vandy really gain by going? Florida, USC, and UGA our other bubble teams gained nothing from the SECT... I'd even argue if those teams would've made the SEC final it stil wouldn't have mattered. The committee showed they weren't watching the SECT. You sound like you agree with Cal.

Considering UK was dual SEC champions, he does have a great point. That game swings the pendulum, or at least it should've, but since the SECT is crap and insignificant it doesn't. Since this is actually college sports, we should discontinue the tourney and give students a 2 week break before the end of the regular season and the start of the NCAAT to focus on schools... we have a perfect APR score to keep up (only Florida can say that).

kentubbybasketball
06-06-2016, 05:46 PM
It will never happen and makes no sense. Why would you play a conference tourney before the season starts? All it takes is for one guy to get seriously hurt and that would end that. I dont see an expansion ever going that far. I think the only reason he is bringing this up is because TAMU got a 3 seed and they got a 4, even after beating them in the SECT title game

Cal would counter with it doesn't make sense to play it in March either... look at this past season. Makes no sense to play it in any of the 12 months. Why are you getting hung up on the actual month?

End of the day, with our AD being on the selection committee maybe there will be more transparency with the selection process. He'll leave the room when UK is discussed obviously. The SECT is a waste of time if winning it doesn't help your seeding. If Cal says it just like that, it doesn't get any notice. When he says stuff like "move it to November" that's when the conversation begins... not about actually moving the date to November, but actually making the even worthwhile.

Cal's in elite company. Bob Knight, Tom Izzo, and Roy Williams are noted for being against conference tourneys also, but they all at least coached in reputed leagues.

MKfromPA
06-07-2016, 09:08 PM
KT, the fact UK has dominated the SECT, how much leverage for Cal's statements?

kentubbybasketball
06-08-2016, 03:59 PM
Tranghese told Cal to write him all the concerns Coach has and they'll talk them out, so Cal has some clout. Cal has more cachet than any coach. I'd say Cal carries as much weight as any SEC with perhaps the exception of Saban.

iowacat
06-19-2016, 10:47 AM
I agree with what KT is saying about Coach Cal. He is wanting more discussion about it to really determine the value of it. The SEC tourney is not taken into account by the NCAA Tourney committee so the SECT is really a useless Tourney. Other then it makes the SEC more money and gives the fans a little more entertainment.

I think the real issue is we have lowered our standards as to who deserves to be in the NCAA tournament. I like the number of 64-68 teams for the NCAAT but not how we chose them. My preference is need to have a more objective way of selecting way of choosing the teams.

1. Eliminate the selection committee and go to a computer model. We all know is corrupt and we have AD directors and presidents that have never played or been involved with the sport selecting teams. Who knows how many behind the door deals are made. I can see it now. If you vote for my team while I am out of the room I will vote for yours discussion. Do you not think this doesn't happen?

2.Winners of your league automatically gets in but you must have at least a 600 record or better.

3. Teams must have at least a 600 record or better in league play. These teams that win the league tourney with a 12 and 18 record don't deserve to been in just because they won a useless league tourney.

4. First top 5 teams the finished in league play automatically get in but only if they have a 600 record or better. If only 3 teams have that then your league only gets 3 in. You don't reward bad teams because we want to make it equal. We live in a Capitalist society not a Socialist one. We give equal opportunity but you need to perform to be rewarded. If you don't preform you don't get rewarded for it.

5. Here is my real kicker. If your team/school has been on probation in the last 3 years years then you don't get in. I don't care who you are or your record. Again, you don't reward for lowering your standards. For example why did we allow a team that the coach was suspended for 9 games this past year due to academic fraud and then let him in the Tourney. If you have something like this in place and every team knows this is one of the criteria then cheating will be cut down dramatically. Cheating is lowering of a standard.

I don't have all the numbers figured out precisely but we need to raise our standards back to when we rewarded teams for good performance on the court and in the classroom. Hell we almost had a team the won it all last year that has the worst academic fraud in the last 25 years maybe in all time. Just think about that. It is really scary how we as a country have lowered our standards because we want it to make equal for everyone instead of an equal opportunity. I think you need to perform to be rewarded.

I am sure I will ruffle some feathers here but I want the standards raised to reward excellence not mediocrity. Then we will see the best teams competing. Then everyone will enjoy the tourney much more because the best teams will be playing. Isn't this what tourneys should be about? Then maybe we will all get to experience a 16-1 upset. We will never see it that way we choose teams now.

kentubbybasketball
06-19-2016, 02:27 PM
Sounds good to me. The regular season championship played over the course of 2 months needs more value. The regular season of this sport drags to the casual fan. They get excited arond conference touney week, knowing that will decide who gets in. I think the regular season thing helps mid majors more than big league teams.

A computer model has its drawbacks but at least there is an object target instead of a moving target. One year RPI matters, then it's road games, then it's something else.